John Wall

**CoeburnCane** · December 9th, 2009, 04:10 PM

Hansbrough is Mark Madsen part deux, and that's all he'll ever be...

Andrew DeClercq. Nuff said.

**Biggin** · December 9th, 2009, 07:37 PM

So, even though he coaches at the second most prestegious program ever, and basically gets to hand pick all the top recruits, 3-4 McDonalds All-Americans at a time, he is automatically a better coach?

What about Roy's days at Kansas? You've yet to address that. Do you remember how many times he choked in big game situations? He had some of the best teams in the nation at Kansas, yet he never won a national title.

Does it not matter that Calapari has had 1/10th of the talent that Williams has had?

Calapari is now at an elite-level program. Roy was at Kansas for a long time, an elite program, and never won it all.
Cal has never been a coach at the elite level until now.
If he wins two titles at UK, is he still not as good as Roy?

**R13** · December 9th, 2009, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by Biggin

So, even though he coaches at the second most prestegious program ever, and basically gets to hand pick all the top recruits, 3-4 McDonalds All-Americans at a time, he is automatically a better coach?

No, that doesn't make him automatically better, it's his record. It's the facts that he's 3rd all-time in win percentage, been to 7 Final Fours, had a win in 20 consecutive NCAA tourneys, two-time AP COY, two titles and in the Basketball Hall of Fame...compared to Calipari who has only 2 Final Four appearances, which were both vacated, pretty easy to see who's the better coach. Roy built the program at UNC back up himself, they were par the year before he came in and had the worst season in school history the year before that.

Calipari hasn't had scrub teams either, let's not pretend he hasn't had some of the best talent either.

**CP7** · December 9th, 2009, 10:06 PM

Bottom line: UK beat UNC last saturday, UK will reach 2000 wins before UNC, John Wall is the best PG in the country.

**1inStripes** · December 9th, 2009, 11:24 PM

Originally Posted by R13

Roy built the program at UNC back up himself, they were par the year before he came in and had the worst season in school history the year before that.

Calipari hasn't had scrub teams either, let's not pretend he hasn't had some of the best talent either.

Roy built back the program? The players were already there, it wasn't really building back, it was just changing philosophy.

**R13** · December 9th, 2009, 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by 1inStripes

Roy built back the program? The players were already there, it wasn't really building back, it was just changing philosophy.

Yes, May and company were when he first got there and the program was still par at the time. Then after they won the title in 05, the top 7 scorers were gone and he built it back up to last years teams.

**1inStripes** · December 9th, 2009, 11:53 PM

Reloading is what all high profile programs do, unless they have just an absolute dog of a coach. They do not rebuild.

**gcdevil22** · December 10th, 2009, 12:47 AM

Bill Guthridge

**Biggin** · December 10th, 2009, 12:47 AM

Who??

Who????

JOHN WALL

25 points, 6 steals, beating Uconn basically at home, at MSG in NYC.

He beat Uconn tonight, scored 12 of their last 15, took over at the end.